about time, space and coca-cola (or is it coke?)

Santiago Pereson (jaco@overnet.com.ar)
Sat, 28 Sep 1996 10:36:37 -0300

this is the capture of a little (unexpected) party TwylaM, JakeS and me had
yesterday. thought you would want to read it, as we thought about a couple
of things related to oudeis. i've cleaned it up a bit and taken out what
wasn't relevant, so it's easier to read.

note1: if you visited oudeis' place in the web you'll notice neither of us
had visited it when we met. there you can find a couple of answers,
specially about the time problem.

note2: NetSeduction: a play to be held at athemoo on october 11 &12. more
info at <http://www.hn.psu.edu/Faculty/SSchrum/RMTCo/NetSeduction.html>

***

>Twyla's Zone
>The darkness of night surrounds you. Gray clouds can barely be seen against
> the darkening sky. They bring with them a light drizzle.
>There is a massive fireplace with a roaring fire ... and yet it is
> comfortable, whatever the season.
>You see an inviting black leather couch, that seems to be begging you to si=
t
> on it.
>There is a huge, overstuffed easy chair -- seems very inviting!
>There's a large, comfortable rocking chair next to the fireplace.
>A large coffe table made of beautifully polished California redwood.
>Next to the CD player is a wonderful Magical Box from which you can always
> withdraw the CD you most want to hear *right now* ... just say the magic
> words ...
>JakeS is sitting comfortably on the couch. Shakespeare's_Guest is rocking
> peacefully in the rocking chair. TwylaM-S and LeeG are standing here.

...

>You say, "i was thinking about that kind of time problems in oudeis. if you
> perform the play in athens at 6:00 pm it would be around 2:00 pm in buenos
> ayres and 11:00 am in ny."
>LeeG says, "That does seem to be a problem."
>TwylaM-S [to Shakespeare's_Guest]: that is one of the issues in Netseductio=
n
> -- we just tried to pick some most accommodating times, and we're doing it=
on
> two days.
>TwylaM-S says, "I would guess that for oudeis, we'll have to do something
> similar."
>You say, "but japan is on the other side: 12 hs difference, etc."
>You say, "and time can be a great problem. you don't feel the same in the
> morning and in the evening."
>TwylaM-S says, "But on e could argue that about *any* performance."
>LeeG says, "Exactly or any live event."
>"yes, but they are usually at night, and that's ok.
>You say, "yes, but they are usually at night, and that's ok."
>TwylaM-S says, "right. Some concessions just have to be made. The best on=
e
> can do is to try to balance the concessions."
>TwylaM-S says, "They are at night *where you are-* -- they can just m... hm=
m
> lost my train of thought."
>LeeG says, "It sounds as though Oudeis is really just in its opening stages=
."
>"now that i think of it, it's not a problem, just something we should
>think about. the local environment influences the way you experience
>everything.
>You say, "now that i think of it, it's not a problem, just something we sho=
uld
> think about. the local environment influences the way you experience
> everything."
>LeeG says, "Everything is still open for discussion."
>TwylaM-S says, "I really think that it is. It's slated for next spring, I
> think."
>You say, "autumn here..."
>LeeG says, "Barommpah."
>TwylaM-S says, "Santiago, that's totally true. maybe we should look at try=
ing
> for one evening [right, autumn there] for each place, so that its fairly
> well shared."
>TwylaM-S asks, "What time is it where you are, Santiago?"
>You say, "i.e.:i've read the same book in winter and in summer. they two
> extremely different experiences (100 anios de soledad). the book portrays =
a
> place with hot weather, so in winter it's quite strange."
>You say, "3:04 AM. tomorrow i don't work: there's a strike."
>LeeG says, "The content is still being decided. The role of the audience i=
s
> still being decided. I like that. Leaving lots of room to maneuver."
>"and we can work on it from different --cultural-- points of view.
>You say, "and we can work on it from different --cultural-- points of view.=
"
>TwylaM-S says, "Funny, I just went through that last night. Saw 1776 -- a
> musical about the Declaration of Independence (better that it sounds) but
> the y kept talking about how *hot* it was to an audience huddled under
> blankets."
>TwylaM-S says, "I like that idea -- working on it from different cultural
> points of view."
>You say, "saw it."
>TwylaM-S says, "Did you? Amazing."
>TwylaM-S asks, "Did you like it?"
>You say, "don't even remember when. it was on cable."
>You say, "i did like it a bit, but didn't really know the story."
>You say, "culture."
>TwylaM-S says, "Sorry I'm a dork."
>JakeS grins.
>You ask, "what's a dork?"
>JakeS says, "No comment"
>Shakespeare's_Guest laughs openly.
>TwylaM-S says, "It's a slang term meaning (in *this* case) a fool."
>TwylaM-S says, "I was checking my time and disconnected myself."
>JakeS says, "Hehe"
>TwylaM-S sighs
>You say, "don't think so. i always assume knowledge on the part of others a=
nd
> sometimes they don't have it -- culture-"
>TwylaM-S asks, "So what were you talking about?"
>You say, "culture: young people in europe travel a lot, and then they settl=
e
> down and raise a family. that would never happen here (argentina). in fact=
,
> here you travel after you raise your kids, leaving them with your parents.
> that kind of thing"
>TwylaM-S says, "that's so true. Monika came to visit me -- her second visi=
t
> to the US in less than six months ..."
>TwylaM-S says, "But as I was saying, right after she got back, she spent ti=
me
> in Brussels and Paris and had a friend from Germany show up on her doorste=
p
> for several weeks."
>TwylaM-S says, "Just doesn't happen in the US, wither."
>TwylaM-S says, "either""
>You say, "so if oudeis is about travelling, maybe we could think a bit abou=
t
> what that means in different places."
>TwylaM-S says, "Ooooooh, yeah ..."
>You say, "things are getting world-wide these days."
>TwylaM-S says, "My friend's mom has traveled extensively to Japan, I wonder
> how they're different..."
>You say, "don't know much. i know they study a lot, they work a lot and=
have a
> feel for honor that we (occidentals) find hard to understand. they have a =
zen
> way to everything also --and that's even harder to get."
>TwylaM-S says, "we should submit these thoughts to the mailing list for the
> others (are there others?)"
>TwylaM-S says, "to think about..."
>You say, "kinch glisson & sally goetsch, at least in my mailbox."
>TwylaM-S says, "So we should mention to them ... maybe they have some
> insights we're missing."
>You say, "i'm capturing this, so if you (both) agree, we could post it
> tomorrow."

...

>You ask, "jake: where are you?"
>JakeS says, "Tallahassee, Florida"
>You ask, "so it's around 0 PM?"
>JakeS says, "3:30 AM"
>JakeS says, "Oops, 2:30"
>TwylaM-S says, "Whew! I almost flipped that i had screwed up my computer
> clock when I was looking at the time zones."
>You say, "i thought the time difference was more."
>TwylaM-S says, "I have you as 5 hours ahead of me, so you're two hours ahea=
d
> of Jake."
>You say, "nope. it's 3:30 here. maybe there's some 'daylight savings time'
> somewhere."
>TwylaM-S says, "That could be..."

...

[Mr. Samsa: JakeS]
>Mr.Samsa says, "Ack, all outta smokes in RL"
>You say, "want a VR Gold Leaf?"
>Mr.Samsa says, "Somehow, I just don't think it'll be as satisfying. . ."
>TwylaM-S teleports in
>You say, "that's usually the moment i decide to go to bed --or to the
> minimarket."
>Mr.Samsa nods.
>Mr.Samsa says, "it's only about 2 minutes away, but it requires leaving the
> house, something I'm dread to do"
>You say, "culture again. do you have open drugstores at 3:15?"
>Mr.Samsa nods.
>Mr.Samsa says, "24-hours a day"
>You say, "thought everything was closed over there after 10 pm."
>Mr.Samsa says, "No way, things just start picking up at 10 :)"
>You say, "nice place ;)"

...

>You ask, "what about your RL environment?"
>You say, "i mean: room, etc."
>JakeS asks, "What about my RL environment?"
>Shakespeare's_Guest [to JakeS]: yes.
>JakeS says, "Umm, I'm at home in my apartment, if that's what you mean."
>JakeS says, "A small apartment, but wa=00=00=00=00=00=00=05=EEch space for=
me alone."
>JakeS says, "So I fill it with as much crazy second-hand furniture as possi=
ble
> :)"
>JakeS asks, "That the kind of answer you're looking for?"
>You say, "i ask 'cos i was thinking about this place-distance break you
> experiment when in the net."
>JakeS says, "I don't follow you."
>JakeS blinks.
>You say, "you're at home. around you everything's written in english..."
>JakeS says, "Except this web-page I'm looking at :)"
>TwylaM-S asks, "Are you talking, santiago about the fact that we are each i=
n
> our own worlds and in this world too?"
>You say, "if you go out you feel a bit cold (guess), maybe raining [to Twyl=
a]
> yes."
>JakeS says, "The concept of a cyber-body is critical to internet performanc=
e."
>TwylaM-S says, "I notice that a lot, too. I find it interesting to talk to
> Monika -- in AUSTRIA -- in her world while I move about in my world and ye=
t
> we are both in the same point in cyberspace."
>You say, "the coke bottle by the side of my monitor reads '1.5 litros'. tha=
t's
> something you can't forget even when your in your (nice word) 'cyber-body'=
."
>JakeS says, "Which is why I prefer the idea of MOO theater to that of
> Cu-Seeme. CU-Seeme lacks the body for an audience in many ways."
>You say, "don't really know CU-Seeme. only from magazines."
>JakeS says, "It's simply video-conferencing, which allows the physical body=
to
> dominate rather than a cyber one."

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santiago
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