Yes I remember you saying this before, and I understand fully. I asked the system
folk at my own school to install Pueblo last June (for my classes) and today we had a
major hissy fit about whether they would actually ever do it. Still, as a responsible
computer fanatic, I feel it is my duty to request this minor favor of the people who
hold the keys to public computers everywhere. A small crusade that results in making
what I can do with one hand tied behind my back a little easier for people who are
still afraid to try. Like my students. By this afternoon, Pueblo was installed in the
lab (after 3 months of shilly-shallying) and I have been invited to help them test
it. Station Manor has already installed same on their machines because they suspect
(rightly) that we know something about MOOs which they don't. Now Lee succumbs to
client appreciation. I admire your fortitude, Monika, for hanging in with telnet--no
joke. It reminds me of a poem I like a lot called "Courage Is Not the Abnormal" by
Jack Gilbert, and it begins with the line, "The Poles rode out on horseback against
the German tanks." I think using telnet on a MOO is just a little like that. But
don't take my word for it. Try a client sometime. Just try it. Sometime. You might
like it.
Monika Wunderer wrote:
> dear jim and juli
>
> this is the wrong time to start a discussion about clients but let me say
> just this one thing:
>
> the reason why I am using telnet is, because I never use my own computer
> to log into moo
> and telnet I DO find on every computer that is hooked up to the Internet,
> and how could I tell the computer lab to install MOO Clients everywhere ?
"Please" is good enough. You are the expert abt this, not them.
> see - thats a reason for me, that might not be a reason for the workshop
> though. so I will keep thinking about it
> but anyhow this seems to me the easiest way to tell people "you can do it
> from everywhere"!
Absolutely! Really important. We could high-tech ourselves out of an audience
altogether if we aren't careful. I think that is a major reason why MOO is
important--virtual reality, but low bandwidth and multi-user. I wish sometimes that I
worked for a place that would support 300 baud modems. I don't think they would get
very many takers, but the principle is important. That is why a text-only path
through a website is also important. Check out my website. I support the "Best Viewed
with Any Browser" campaign.The key for me is that I want people at athemoo to be able
to browse some other sites while they are waiting for us to start or during a break.
So I included a note object called Some URLs. With telnet, you can go in and cut and
paste into your browser and get there. It's just clumsy. If you have already paid
your tuition and the lab prides itself on its Pentiums and Windows95, they may as
well run something on it besides Office. I think we are their opportunity to turn a
room full of junk into something more meaningful than just a lot of expensive
typewriters. Pueblo or MUDDweller makes MOOing easy enough that you have some energy
left to have fun with it..
I think that one of the many graces you bring to all this, my friend, is the ability
to sit behind some impressive technical capability and still make people feel it is
right for them to be there, no matter how humble is the avenue that brings them to
your door. Believe me, I know.
Thanks for your thoughts on this even though you are very busy with practical
details.
jim
> Mon
>
> On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Jim Terral wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > M> Yes, that's a great idea to have the computers already loaded with
> >
> > > > telnet and connected!!!! Santiago suggested we use a MOO client in
> > > > place of telnet but your idea will work either way!
> > >
> > > if somebody knows something about MOO clients .. go for it. if not I
> > > would suggest we stick whith what we feel familiar with. I would prefer
> > > to have the MOO workshop on telnet, becasue I never worked with MOO clients.
> >
> > Clients are way superior to telnet, are easily installed, will make it easier
> > for the oudeis team to use the MOO and more fun for the audience. Pueblo is far
> > and away the best for PCs. For Macs, ATHEMOO has MacMOOse utilities installed.
> > Pueblo comes from http://www.chaco.com; the MacMOOse URL is onthe ATHEMOO
> > website. MUDDweller is another Mac client that lots of people use.