>> First: It is impossible for me to spend much time on a project where
>> there is no money. (I am working on a development project and do not
earn any money
>> for living since months).
>[to Lee] Is this a contradiction?
Unfortunately it is. I know that it is different in Canada but in Austria=
the
situation is not very good for innovations.
>Do you work for the police? Maybe you have a big garden. This was a good
year for my raspberries.
??????
>I contacted the Ars Electronica Festival email presence in early July.
Tried to
>get promotional materials. Sent email to Sherman, the keynote speaker. Got
replies
>like "who are you talking to?" and "please contact someone else."=20
I think Shermans moderation at the ARS Symposium was very good. Much better
than the
years before. Maybe you got the wrong mailinglist.
>Our reception of Oudeis was poor; but apart from Oudeis, and despite
efforts on our part, Ars
>Electronica was a non-event.
Ars Electronica is primarily done for the print and TV media.
Most of the visitors (i assume more than 95%) are journalists and insider.
The title says that it is a festival but I in its heart it is not.
>I didn't even know there *was* a Prix.=20
Yes there are categories for Computer Animation, Computer Music,
Interactive Art and .net
>There should be a way that we can participate in these discussions.=20
look at //www.aec.at there are a lot of disussions.
>The technology for this is *not* trendy.
What do you mean with this ?
>> Real Audio is good old Pushmedia, bad developed and bad integrated.
>And your recommendation is...
To find another solution. We already suggested voice2midi
>> As already mentioned several times before, there is no way to
>> synchronize the graphic with RA streams.
>We already know this.
So why has there been so much effort to bring it to work for the ARS ?
>I am not sure how we got sidetracked using the Sun for a RealAudio server,
but it
>was certainly a sidetrack.
Yes
>Should have concentrated on Shockwave. Or possibly RealVideo.=20
Yes you could use RealVideo but this is also NOT interesting for the ARS.
Gerfried Stocker explicity said that this is Broadcast an has nothing
to do with interactivity.
>> One of the criterias of the jury in the .net category is webbness. That
>> means if it is stuff which would also work on a CD it will not win a=
price.
>>I think this criteria should also be true for OUDEIS.
>Good point about CDs. But the net is not the web and the internet is not
the only
>place where electronics is used for art.=20
Thats true but why does OUDEIS want to connect to the WEB anyway ???
>Big mistakes. The Web excels at the
>representation of color stills. In fact some interesting effects are=
possible
>because of the backlit quality of the color. It can simulate other things
too,
>much in the same way that dot matrix printers simulated real type.=20
Simulation of the old stuff with new technology is not very exciting.
I know it always happens in first steps of development but I think the time
of WWW prototypes should be over since some years.
>But this criterion of Webness plays right into the hands of 'trendy
internet' concept.=20
No I dont think so. It is trendy to paper all the printed stuff to the WWW.
We should find new ways to deal with the new possibilities.
>So your Webness criterion sounds like a distraction to me.=20
>Theatricality would be more like it.=20
YES ! If you transform it to theater Theatricality is exactly what I mean !
>If someone put this show in their store window, would you stop to watch?
Would you buy a ticket?
Yes these are the questions !!
>Listen to what you are saying. "Let's go to the 'Dumb Dance Performance'
tonight,
>dear. Do you have the tickets for the Dumb Dance? Do the Dumb! The Dumb is
taking
>dancehalls by storm!"
I dont understand this argument. If you are "going" to a Web performance
you need
to get access. You need to get some software and so on. So whats the
difference
except that it is more exclusive.
>MOO/Telnet is adequate technology=20
I dont think so. The concept is interesting but the textonly realisation is
from the old (7bit-) days.=20
>Chacun a son go=FBt.
sorry whats that ?
>>* I think it is very common but also a bad practice that a lot of
>>installations are bad described and very unclear in what is really
happening.
>We obviously missed the boat here. Doesn't sound as if Mr. Zyka
understood what
>was going on with Oudeis.=20
No I understood what was going on but only because I had the insider info.
Talked with several persons.
There are two groups:
If they have the technical background they where not excited because it was
one=20
more RA / Shockwave Animation performances
If they had no technical background they did not know whats going on.
>I don't think Oudeis "sticks" with telnet. In fact, at the moment it isn't
making
>very good use of it. Telnet is not new.=20
>But neither is the hammer, and we still use plenty of those around here.
OK I am also using the telephone which is qite old now. It is usefull but it
would be hard declare it as an art performance when I am doing a telephone
conference...
>At the same time, telnet is practically virginal compared to the Web.=20
virginal is TCP/IP ! -> this are the basics...
This means you can do everything which is possible with protocols which are
based
on TCP/IP. That means we/you need only some programmers and some artists
and you
can create your own frameworks which dont have anything to do with WWW.
>It hasn't been containated by the 'nobody home bandwagon'
>pioneered by Microsoft. The Web is a burnout; telnet is new territory.
I dont like Microsoft but what de telnet have to do with Microsoft ?
telnet is one of the first Netapplications form old UNIX times.
New Territory means you need some programmers !!!
Otherwise you are always in the situation to use some canned progs with all
the=20
built in limitations.=20
For instance it is trendy to sell beautifier programs where you press
some buttons which make your pictures more beautiful...
> We are working on Avatars, but it's a gimmick, not a priority.
I dont think that Avatars are only gimmick.
I think we need some metaphors to use the net in a better way.
Visualization makes the net less elitary than (ENGLISH) texts.
L. Zyka
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