>It seems to me that the most important thing to remember about oudeis is
>that it is a world wide Internet project even in its development.
>It means that there is input by many many people sitting behind
>their computers in different parts of the Western world saying what
>they might think is a good idea to take into
>oudeis _and_ that there is _noone_, no _one_ person to decide about
>their ideas.
That is why it is not working. It is childish to think that
order comes out of chaos by itself.
>There is no dictator or leader or boss or whoever sitting
>on a higher hierarchy level than the others saying _this will be done
>like that_.
There are a lot of projects working without dictators...
This is totally misleaded thinking.
>If you properly understand this organizational structure (and no, oudeis
>is _not_ missing an organizational structure - it is organized as
>described above).
This is ok as long as you are just discussing ideas. It does not
work if it is a project !
One topic of a project is that it has a goal. Any organizational structure
has to finalize the ideas.
>If you can not work under these circumstances, then you have
>not understood oudeis when you agreed to be in it.
I know Gernots and Monikas ideas about Oudeis these are the initiators
for me. I cannot discuss a project with the whole internet...
I am sure that Gernot and Monika WANT a project with a concept and not just
internet
and coffehouse discussions.
>There is no decision making going on.
Do you wonder about that ? Do you want decision ???
If you see decisions as dictatorship you will never get decisions...
>Oudeis until now remains in a state of continuous development,
I dont see development. Development means progress means making decisions.
Means separate ideas and so on. I dont know any example where this
worked in a collabarotive process without any decisionstructures !
>because there are so many possibilities,
Yes the world is big.
>_What is the Concept of Oudeis ?_
>As far as I am concerned:
>Making a theatrical staging of Homers Odyssey on several stages, using
>the Internet for making it world wide and more or less synchronous.
>Dont see what is hard to understand about that.
This is not a concept this is just a very fuzzy idea !
Just one aspect: There has been some discussion about synchron/asynchron
broadcast and webness. Somebody has to decide what is want !
You cannot make an asynchrouness/synchrounous broadcast interactive whatever
Oudeis.... There are a set of possibilities which influence very much
the character and the necessary ressources of the project !
>Another important part of the oudeis concept that seems to be forgotten
>especially by you, Johnny:
>Oudeis does not and never did aim at being a content - lacking,
>art-pour-l`art high tech computer show off.
If you read my last mail I said the following sentences:
It is not a question of technology.
I dont have anything against lowtek !
For ME the text of Odysseus in a mailinglist is interesting enough.
So dont blame me to be too much on technology !
>Oudeis wants to _use_ technology to reach the aim of staging a world
>wide theatre performance. It does not want to be like the Ars
>Electronica where there is nothing expressed at all, no content or
>aesthetics except for using as much high tech as possible.
I totally disagree with this. The kernel of Ars Electronica is art
and not technology. Also it has much to do with modern aesthetics !
>We are staging the _Odyssey_, one of the biggest works of art ever to be
>created.
Great. Where is the art ???? The text of Odysseus ? The MOO ?
The discussion in the internet ?
Who needs art anyway ? Wouldnt it be more interesting to go beyond art ?
>Compared to that, all the tech stuff is marginalia, i.e.
>exchangable and a mere tool.
That is what I said. Define what you want to realize and some technicians
can do it.
I think this is misconception does not work on new technologies.
Are only the artists the creative persons ?
Have you ever heard of information aesthetics ?
>Nothing more. A tool for making a new level of theatre - world wide theatre.
The internet is not a tool for this. The creative part would be to design
such a tool. Therefore you need artists and technicians otherwise
you can discuss it for the next ten years.
>_ Who is the project leader of Oudeis ?_
>There is none and there will be none.
If this is the opionion of all participants it is useless to discuss
any solutions.
>Oudeis is true collaboration, world wide, one level.
This is big fantasy.
>Gernot Lechner in Vienna bore the idea and is
>But he is IMHO not project leader in the sense of Father Decisionmaker.
I dont care who makes the decisions but somebody has to !!
>There are many things in oudeis which I consider very good ideas.
Which ones ?
>There is no thing in oudeis which, technically, cannot be done. Each
>Pink Floyd concert involves more tech than all of oudeis. Problem is
>money. Nothing else.
No I dont think so. Money is not enough. Also if there would be a concise
concept there would be possibilitys to work with a small budget.
>What oudeis can show has been developed in a creative process on the
>oudeis idea list. What it wants to show has to be decided now.
Ok will see...
>I have an idea what this project is about. Everybody on the list has an
>idea of what the project is about. If it meets the ideas of other people
>on the list, then the idea of oudeis is formed - not the other way
>around.
Again fantasy...
>This is the Internet, the least - legislated area of this planet.
I dont beleive in this religion.
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